Did Georgia Plan To Invade South Ossetia?

The German newspaper, Der Spiegel, has come into possession of information which indicates the Georgian government lied about its reasons for invading South Ossetia. Instead of responding to a Russian attack, evidence suggests that Georgia leader Mikhail Saakashvili, planned an invasion even before there was any indication that Russia would intervene. On August 7, 2008, Mamuka Kurashvili, commander of the Georgian peacekeeping force that had been stationed in South Ossetia, told the press in what appeared to be a carefully staged and prepared talk, that his forces had to intervene in order to “reestablish constitutional order in the entire region.” Der Spiegel sources believe the general was quoting directly from Order, No. 2, August 7.

The government of Georgia still refuses to release the controversial Order No. 2. After Russian troops entered the fight, President Saakashvili, argued that he learned at 10:00 p.m. that Russian tanks had entered, but on the morning of August 7, Georgian forces of 12,000 troops and 75 tanks already had entered South Ossetia.

President Bush and most members of Congress immediately sided with Georgia and condemned Russia for initiating the conflict. Will the American government now acknowledge the events do not reveal it was a Russian initiated war?

  • Seraphiel

    I really don’t understand why the US government wants to keep up appearances that it is all Russias fault. Russia isn’t the same Russia as during the cold war. Things have changed considerably. It is a well proved and well known fact now. That the whole war was setup by Saakashvili. And if you look at the history of the region, every single conflict has been started initially by a too nationalistic Georgian government. If there are countries we have to be careful, then it are the former soviet countries. Their leaders are often the most corrupt undemocratic and only sponsored by the US to get on the throne because of their anti russia politics. US foreign politics have failed when it comes to former soviet countries.

  • http://www.theimpudentobserver.com Fred Stopsky

    Amen

  • 08001

    A shame that the document Die Spiegel quoted is a forgery that the Russians have been pedalling since November, and that noone except the Spiegel was stupid enough to buy into it. I suggest you guys read an article by Yulia Latynina in the Moscow Times called ‘A Global Game of Broken Telephone’.

    Look guys. Since the war whenever I try to challenge people’s opinion on Georgia I immediately get screeched at for being a neo-con, so could I first say that I was against the Iraq war and the Israeli bombardment of the Lebanon. I also think that the Bush presidency was largely a disaster, so please hold all the ‘brainwashed neocon’ responses that I normally get.

    What I found so depressing and upsetting as someone with many close friends who were directly affected by the war is how so many on the left feel that an ignorance of Georgia should be no barrier to strongly held opinions on the place, and that being mindlessly anti-Georgian and an apologist for the Russians is a pre-ordained, sworn political duty. Yes, the ‘beacon of liberty’ statements over-exaggerated Georgia’s progress and the news channels over simplified the roots of the conflict and engaged in some nostalgic Russia-bashing, but that does not mean that what the Russian government has done and continues to do in Georgia has been deceptive, cynical and brutal. Just because Fox News says its cowsh*t doesn’t mean everyone should rush in with their spoons and gobble it up like its chocolate icecream.

    So please try to avoid leaping on the occasional stupid NYT article that misquotes rogue OSCE monitors or this recent embarrassing display by Die Spiegel, and instead try reading some articles written before the 8th August, particularly if you knew very little about Georgia and had not heard of South Ossetia before the conflict broke out.

    What becomes clear is that since the recognition of the independence of Kosovo, the Russians have been using the situation in Georgia as payback to the West. This has included building up troop numbers along the border and inside Georgia, allowing and encouraging attacks and killings by separatist militia on Georgian villagers, peacekeepers and policemen, airspace violations, and the the creation of a percieved threat of imminent invasion, all with the deliberate intention of provoking an inevitable response by Georgia, that any country, whether they be an absolutist monarchy or a socialist utopia would respond in the same way.

    To those of us who followed these events, to now hear the Russians claim ‘But Georgia started it’ and proudly claim that their tanks didn’t actually cross into Georgia until 2am on the 8th of August, and hear people who often rightly condemn aspects of US foreign policy eagerly repeat this mantra, is like some sick joke.

    Sorry this comment is so long by the way.

  • http://www.theimpudentobserver.com Fred Stopsky

    You present your view with clarity.

  • http://www.btinternet.co.uk paul maleski

    Georgia on my mind!
    Fred check it out: Who put Saakashvili in power, after he financed the so called the Rose Revolution sic. a jew called George Soros. The background of the Georgian Defence Minister, Israeli citizen Davit Kezerashvili? The Minister for reintegration, yet another jew, Temur Jakbashvili? Why does Georgia spend around 70% of GDP on defence? Where does the Georgian government buy the bulk of its weaponry from? The 80,000 Georgian jews in Israel, are the venemous tail wagging the ignorant Georgian dog! Israel wants to launch missiles from Georgia, to attack Iran but first the jew will push for the ‘umbrella’ Georgian membership of NATO. What do you reckon Fred?

  • http://www.btinternet.co.uk paul maleski

    Would a jew free Caucasus region be happier?
    Friendly Fred: By George you are deafenly quiet on the Georgian front. Were you paid shekels for your shenanigans? Fred you are too good to be true!

  • http://www.theimpudentobserver.com Fred Stopsky

    I believe Georgia initiated the war with Russia. I also realize until historians get access to all records, it is still unclear as to the origin.

  • http://www.btinternet.co.uk paul maleski

    War by kosher proxy!
    Fred, I know and you know that Georgia initiated the war with Russia. The bellicose Georgians go to the Balkans for a tranquil holiday. But as Hitler argued forcefully, in Mein Kampf: Don’t look at the puppets, scrutinize the wirepullers?! The Georgians are but naive bananaless monkeys; the subversive organ grinders are to be found lurking in Israel and beyond. What do you reckon Fred?

  • http://www.theimpudentobserver.com Fred Stopsky

    I reckon you see Jews everywhere. Hey, check out the guy walking behind you. I think he is Mossad and out to get you.

  • http://www.btinternet.co.uk paul maleski

    Fred, actually; I don’t see jews everywhere! I see an awful lot of them when I turn on the telly; hear a lot of them when I switch on the radio; and read a lot of what they write about in the newspapers. If ever a race could turn the old adage on its head, that, ‘Self praise is no recommendation.’ It is the jew. Rather than infer, that I am a crude anti-semite, just respond honestly, to my simple assertions. I don’t know much about Mossad; however, I once read, that around 90% of KGB officers were jewish. I know that jews played a major educational role in the Bolshevik holiday camp movement: organising canal trips, logging excursions etc. What do you reckon Fred?

  • http://www.theimpudentobserver.com Fred Stopsky

    Sir: Your comment “I once read that around 90% of KGB officers were Jewish” is either blatant stupidity or blatant ignorance. Are you completely unaware of the “Jewish doctor’s Plot” of the late 1940s when Joseph Stalin unleashed a vicious anti-semitic program led by the KGB. Thousands of Jews were arrested and sent to concentration camps. Every historian knows that Stalin was anti-semitic. Why would an anti-semite have his secret police staffed by Jews!!
    Yes, there were some Jews among the Bolsheviks who overthrew the Kerensky government (Kerensky was Jewish) in 1917. By the thirties Stalin had eliminated Jews from leadership positions except for the token Jew–Litvinov.
    I reckon you are one ignorant person when it comes to Jews.

  • http://www.btinternet.co.uk paul maleski

    IGNORANCE IS AMISS!
    Just got back from the pub. And as for so called anti-semitic Stalin. All three of Dzhugashvili’s (son of jew) partners were the jewess. Are you seriously telling Paul Maleski that the Russian Bolshevik Revolution was organised by illiterate Russian Orthodox peasants? That, the vast majority of Gulag torturers were not jews! I am Church of England and I sort of feel embarrassed to educate, the don’t want to know jew. As for the 90% jew KGB figure, this was gleaned from the 1992 October, Manchester Jewdian (Guardian); by Major Yevgeny Lukin. Fred: Are you seriously telling Paul Maleski, that the Jewish Commissars murdered less of the goyim, than Nazi Himmler and his henchmen butchered the jew? Not only did the jew murder the Christian Slav by the tens of million; worse, the Hollywood propaganda yid did not have the decency to advertise the fact; but far, far worse, was that the evil jew stole the Slav’s salt of the earth dignity. And the ditchdigging Christian Slav has a long memory! Believe me. What do you reckon Fred?

  • http://www.theimpudentobserver.com Fred Stopsky

    I reckon you might read a book on Russian history. I repeat, in the late forties, Joseph Stalin unleashed a vast program against Jews based on his belief Jewish doctors were trying to poison him. Jews played a minor role in the Soviet Union after 1930. There were quotas as to the number of Jews who could enter college.

  • http://www.btinternet.co.uk paul maleski

    I reckon you should read Robert Wilton’s, (London Times Russian correspondent) book; the brilliant, fly on the wall, informative, ‘Last Days of the Romanovs.’ My God, the book is awfully difficult to obtain; one would think that there is a diabolical jewish conspiracy, throughout the English speaking world, and beyond, to silence its publication and dissemination! Everyone knows in the land of the goyim, that the jew believes in the freedom of speech; when it suits their interests. Robert Wilton proves beyond reasonable doubt, that treacherous Jewish Bolshevik cosmopolitan filth, butchered the Romanovs, (patriotic Christian Russians were not involved) and brought Communist tyranny to Mother Russia. Perhaps Spielberg could make a film about the brutal murder of the innocents! ‘A Marx Brothers Production. ‘What do you reckon Fred?

  • http://www.theimpudentobserver.com Fred Stopsky

    You are boring. Here is a simple challenge:

    Select any year from 1945-1953
    Name any Jews on the Politburo during any of those years. I believe Litvinov was the last one. He was used during WWII as the token Jew.
    If Jews were out to kill the Romanovs, please explain why Kerensky(a Jew and head of Russia) protected the Romanovs and was then overthrown by Lenin who ordered the killings?
    You have yet to explain the anti-Jewish terror of the Jewish Doctors Plot? How come? I reckon it doesn’t fit into your ignorant ideas.

  • http://www.btinternet.co.uk paul maleski

    But it does! You talk of a Stalinesque Politburo, as if it was a sublime democratically elected Cabinet. The gargantuan jewish Bolshevik crimes; along, with the mass murder of Christian slavs; also, included the extermination of thousands of orthodox priests and the destruction of many of their churches. How many Rabbis were massacred and synagogues blown to bits during the inter-war period? Victorious, post war Soviet Russia was in a bit of a pickle; too many returning Russian soldiers had tasted the good life of decadent/ sophisticated Western Capitalism, in and around Berlin; too many liberated Russian citizens, in the northern convoy ports had met fabulously wealthy (spam, cigarettes, and stockings) American and less prosperous proletarian, British seamen sic. It was obvious then, even to the most ignorant Russian worker, that they were being over fed on jewish Ehrenburg style bullshit propaganda; that is to say, jewish Marxism wasn’t working. If Stalin was anything, he was an evil opportunist and despite being surrounded by a vast jewish entourage: his jewish daughter Svetalana Alliluyeva, jewish father in law Morozov included et al. he played the anti-zionist /cosmopolitan card. I want to know more about the great, giant Gulag builders: Naftaly Frenkel, Matvei Berman, Aron Solts, Yakhov Rappoport, Lazar Kogan et al. Throw in the loathsome jews who ran the secret police and political labour camps; of post war Poland, Hungary, the Baltic States etc. I suggest you read more Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. The Bolshevik jew has one hell of a lot to answer for. Spielberg could make a film about it! And did part jewish Vladimir Ulyanov really order the butchering of the Romanovs all by himself sic.; or was he goaded by the likes of; Moses Uritzky, Bela Kun, Hirsch Apfelbaum, Olga Bronstein Kamenev, Genrik Yagoda or whatever their real names were etc. What do you reckon Fred?

  • http://www. paul maleski

    Fred are you dead?